In this episode, join Tina and Erin, as we unwrap the layers of Netflix's "You Are What You Eat" docu-series. We'll share our candid reactions—from Erin's vegan standpoint to my omnivorous leanings—and peel back the curtain on the show's scientific promises. We're not just here to recount; we're here to question, challenge, and ultimately find the golden nuggets of truth about what we put on our plates.
Our episode slices through the meaty debate on veganism, the environmental impact of our food choices, and the real-life challenges of building muscle sans animal products. It's a conversation brimming with personal takes, nutritional nuggets, and the occasional eye-roll at the pitfalls of dietary dogma.
As we simmer down to our final thoughts, we stir in the rich lessons gleaned from the world's Blue Zones, where longevity thrives on more than tofu and tempeh. We serve up encouragement to embrace a life spiced with fruits, veggies, and mindfulness, to nourish not just the body but the soul, without getting entangled in the latest dietary trends. So, tune in, grab a snack (preferably a carrot stick), and let's chew on the idea that maybe, just maybe, we are what we eat—but that's not all we are.
Don't get weird, use your head, it'll all be OK!
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In this episode, join Tina and Erin, as we unwrap the layers of Netflix's "You Are What You Eat" docu-series. We'll share our candid reactions—from Erin's vegan standpoint to my omnivorous leanings—and peel back the curtain on the show's scientific promises. We're not just here to recount; we're here to question, challenge, and ultimately find the golden nuggets of truth about what we put on our plates.
Our episode slices through the meaty debate on veganism, the environmental impact of our food choices, and the real-life challenges of building muscle sans animal products. It's a conversation brimming with personal takes, nutritional nuggets, and the occasional eye-roll at the pitfalls of dietary dogma.
As we simmer down to our final thoughts, we stir in the rich lessons gleaned from the world's Blue Zones, where longevity thrives on more than tofu and tempeh. We serve up encouragement to embrace a life spiced with fruits, veggies, and mindfulness, to nourish not just the body but the soul, without getting entangled in the latest dietary trends. So, tune in, grab a snack (preferably a carrot stick), and let's chew on the idea that maybe, just maybe, we are what we eat—but that's not all we are.
Don't get weird, use your head, it'll all be OK!
Looking for a coach to help you be YOUR best self? Let's get in touch!
www.centerstagethleticscoaching.com
info@centerstageathleticscoaching.com
IG: @teamcsfp
FB: https://www.facebook.com/teamcsfp
Hello, hello, hi. Hi. Erin is back with me today. This is Tina and Erin, and that's Erin who has been my special guest. Now, she's probably not that special. I mean, she's still special. She's still special. She's just filling in.
Speaker 1:But we have these like really cool topics we keep wanting to talk about, so coaching and cocktails, a podcast that is what you're listening to and we both have just sat here in the middle of snowstorms for the past week. So it's January 21st, I think. I think this will go out on Monday. We're at the 20th. Oh, the 20th, yep, is it? Oh shit, I've been putting the 21st on everything today. Whoops, today's January 20th, but it'll probably go out on Monday. Oh well, been a busy day, so yeah.
Speaker 1:So we both decided we were talking about some topics to talk about, and neither of us have actually shared how we feel about it yet, so it'd be interesting to see. But there's so much a buzz currently going on about the newest Netflix docu series on you are what you eat, so we thought we would talk a little bit about it. And Erin is a vegan and I am not a vegan Not anti vegan, as I say, but I would classify myself. People think I'm. I'm sure vegans probably look at me hatefully when I say this, but I'm a vegan who likes to eat meat, which really just means that means to me like it does, which really just means I eat a well balanced diet.
Speaker 1:I enjoy my my. I enjoy getting my protein from meat. I enjoy meat, but I also enjoy eating heaps and heaps of vegetables and fruits and all the healthy things. Yes, that makes sense. Yeah, so in my mind I really am. There are no labels on I just that is how I like to get my my micro and macro nutrients into my body, yeah, yeah, so. So if you haven't watched the Netflix series, you are what. You eat it I, so I'll say I'll give you my first impression.
Speaker 1:When I saw it pop up in my here's what you should watch on Netflix, I don't even think I had seen other people. Oh wait, I did have a client mention it to me. That's right. I had a client mention it to me and I was like, okay, I'll go check it out. She hadn't finished watching it yet, so she didn't give me any opinions on it.
Speaker 1:I happened to have like a Sunday where I was doing absolutely nothing, so I I think I sat and been watched all four in like one day. I was in the first episode, maybe in like the at least the first half of that first episode. I was so excited for this. I was like this is the coolest study ever and I was so excited because finally and wait, but this is my thought thoughts in the first episode Finally somebody's going to give a quote, unquote, unbiased opinion. We're just going to look at some scientific shit about these twins Such a cool idea to study, you know, genetically identical twins, yeah.
Speaker 1:And we're just going to see the science about what happens to all of these health markers with a vegan diet and what happens with all these health markers with an omnivore diet. And I was like so cool. And then the rest of the series happened, yeah. And then I went God damn it. I was like I'm not, it is just like every other series. I got excited, right, whether it was the magic pill or the kind of I can't even think of the names of all the other ones, but being changers what?
Speaker 2:the hell yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, so you know all of them. So anyway, long story short, it ended up, in my opinion, just like those and I was disappointed in the end. But what was your initial impression without giving away all the other stuff?
Speaker 2:Right. So I was the same boat as you and, as a vegan, I was really excited just to see the data that was presented. Like and I will say like, even if they said everything's better with me eating and stuff, that's not going to change my mind, like you know, it's a little study there but I was so excited because, yeah, I wanted to see all those data markers, like the exercise, what they're eating, how much they're eating when they're eating, stress, sleep, all that kind of stuff. And I was like with twins, that's going to be great, like you will definitely get some good data. And then, yeah, then it started playing and then I was like, wait a minute, this is like a documentary about going vegan and all the benefits of it and all, like you know the animal cruelty and the things that are you know all that kind of stuff. And I was like, wait a minute, I thought it was about this study and it really focused on the dairy industry and the meat industry and all the fucked up things that it was.
Speaker 1:It became bashing this. You know huge portion of agriculture in our country.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right and so which is unfortunately what ended up happening in a couple of the other of the documentaries right. So it was like and I knew it immediately in the second episode when they started talking about the pig farms and showing all the you know people spraying manure onto other people's houses. And I'm not saying none of those things happen. I'm not saying that any of the information in it was incorrect, but it was just it became less about the data and more about hyping up one and bashing another Right Like the propaganda.
Speaker 2:Like it's like Propaganda. Yeah, it's it was, and of course, as a vegan, I enjoyed it, like the whole thing. But if it was marketed as that, then I mean I still would have watched it. But I was. I think everybody that I knew was so like much more excited about like the actual results of the study and all the things they did with the study, and when it wasn't, we were just kind of like, oh, like that sucks, like we wanted to see more in depth with the kit, with the people and you know all that kind of stuff. So I think it really was not what I expected.
Speaker 2:I ended it and I was just kind of like meh you know, it just didn't it didn't hit me like I thought it would.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really fizzled out in the end. I think I think they had such a great opportunity to present, like, just unbiased data, but obviously that was not the intent of it. I mean, it was you know, it was paid for by you know. So, again, you know.
Speaker 1:Just a just a side note anytime you're watching any documentary anywhere, right, like, especially when it comes to something about your health or how you eat or whatever and Netflix is famous for it because they do a lot of documentaries like this you really have to have some literacy about what you're watching and, like look at who's producing it, who's funding it, what is it being marketed for, so that you can go into it with eyes wide open and understand that this is very not saying any of the information in it that was presented was right or wrong, but that you have to look at how it's skewed, right and and that's just. You know that just is what it is. So you take the information for what it is like. What was the one, what was the one on the keto diet? Was that the magic pill? I think that was the magic pill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw that a while ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't even think I got to the end of that one. I think I got to the. It may have all been in the first episode, maybe the second episode, when they started slathering lard on broccoli to put in lard, I was like I'm done, yeah, there's nothing healthy about this.
Speaker 1:And then obviously that one was demonizing sugar and every with carbs. Yeah, I mean, it was quite literally. If it had put like little devil horns on the, on every carb it talked about, like you would have thought you were going straight to hell if you ate carbs Exactly, but the lard on the broccoli I was like. But sadly, people will watch those and a big problem with where we are in the industry of fitness and health and trying to find the right way to eat or the right way to do things, is that people see that. And then they have the scare tactics. You have the scare tactics of be scared of carbs. It's scare tactics. Be scared of the meat because of the meat industry. That's just something. Watch them if you choose to. But understand, then you have to validate right.
Speaker 2:You got to verify and validate what you're looking at.
Speaker 1:So what did you like about it? So, as a vegan, what did you get out of it? Did you learn anything new that you didn't know yourself?
Speaker 2:Honestly, not really. I'm a big reader, I love finding articles and things, so I knew a lot of the things and all the doctors and the people on there. I've read their studies and their articles and peer reviewed things before so I knew where they were coming from. There were a couple of things that I was a little bit upset in as far as how they did the study. I investigated after I watched it with the doctors that did the study from Stanford and things, and they were like Netflix definitely spun some things that we weren't expecting.
Speaker 1:Oh, did they say that afterwards?
Speaker 2:So the stuff with the arousal, the sex stuff, that was all Netflix. And there was another thing I forget what it was that was not in our study. Netflix sensationalized that and said let's add this to the study Exactly, and the original study had 44 pairs of twins and the Netflix only took eight, because the guy from Stanford was like I would have loved to do the dexa scan thing where they measured the fat and the muscle on everybody.
Speaker 2:But we didn't have the money for that because that thing is expensive to use. So Netflix only said well, let's just pick eight sets of twins, and then we'll go from there and do all the things.
Speaker 1:So if you saw that there were. I mean, there was a scene where they only focused on those four sets of twins, but there was a scene where you saw all the people yeah Right, there was this big group of people. So they must have filmed that at some point where it was supposed to be, and then they just pared it down to the core group.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what I get for a documentary. But what I didn't like about it is how the food was handled. So, right off the bat, like the first four weeks, the I'm going to say contestants the people got prepackaged meals from a vegan company called I think it's veg nutrition or something. And again, I don't know what was in any of these meals and I don't like pre-mean meals anyway, because we all know like a lot of them are filled with stuff that we probably shouldn't be eating. And so I was kind of like okay, why would they give them these like little meals? I don't know, I didn't like that. And then after that they're like okay, you're on your own, go ahead and shop as a vegan If you've never been a vegan, go ahead. And then like they just all they bought was junk food, like they didn't buy things that were healthy.
Speaker 2:And I because the one lady bought vegan cookies she's like, oh, these are vegan, I'm just going to buy these. And I'm like you're not going to lose weight eating these kind of cookies and stuff. And then they just let them go kind of loose and didn't give them I don't think they gave them like some guidelines or anything and it kind of just I don't know. I didn't like that part of it and I also didn't like the exercise because there was the one set of twins, the two men who one of them was in the gym every day lifting weights, and the other twin he was like moving or something all the time, so he didn't get to the gym, he would just do like at home exercises with his son and not even work out really, and he was the vegan one.
Speaker 2:So it kind of skewed that data too, because yeah, of course, if you're not going to the gym and lifting weights, you're not going to build any muscle. So I don't know, the data was just kind of all over the place for me and I didn't sit well, so I think I wish they would have like been a little bit more. You know, this is what you're going to eat. We're going to measure this. You were going to exercise. Exactly like this one. It's saying you know everything the same except for the food.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, if they had done the study in a, contained it, just it really became. And again, like when I first was like, okay, well, at least the pre-packaged meals, if that's all they're eating, it's the. You know, there's a little bit more control in that study. Yeah, you're, regardless of the kind of food they were eating, but but then it was just a free for all and we don't know, and we don't know how diligent they were on staying vegan or not staying vegan. We don't know how, you know, because a couple of the people admitted that late, you know, weren't able to like, do it 100%. Or the two women who were chefs, right, yeah, having a catering company, right, no way. They may not have shown it in the series, but there's no way. She wasn't the vegan, one wasn't. Taste testing, exactly. You can't do that as a chef, exactly. And then, of course, you're not, you know. And then, as we, as we know, if we're just, if we're talking about it, we're that was not focused on fat loss necessarily, but if you're talking about it, like from your caloric intake too, then you are getting calories and all of that.
Speaker 1:So I had a problem with how sort of the controls of the study.
Speaker 1:So, again, you know, looking at that, you know, from a literacy standpoint, when you're looking at any studies you really got to look at like, unless they were in a lab and everybody was doing exact the exact same physical act, or each twin at least was doing the exact same type of physical activity. I would have liked to have seen it be, because what we don't know right, so between the vegan and the omnivore, where the calories controlled, the same right, like I would have liked to have seen it. So what would have made it, you know, in my eyes, more, more legitimate, at least from a science perspective, is exact same amount of calories, exact same amount of protein, exact same amount of everything. Just vegan and omnivore, right? So you're getting all your protein from vegan sources or you're getting all your protein from, you know, meat sources. Whatever the case may be, I think that would have been, that would have given us. So if anybody's out there to do this kind of study, that's what needs to be done right.
Speaker 1:But then it also needs to be in a more controlled situation so we really can see those health markers and, yes, they should be looking at. I love that they did the DEXA scans. I love that they showed, you know, lean muscle mass gained or lost, you know, and the visceral fat right. So I think that that's really important because we're not just talking about, like, losing weight. But I think yeah, I'm with you it wasn't just the control of the food, it was just the control of the whole study was all over the place. Yeah, so there was. You can't really legitimize any of the data, right, in my opinion. Right, no-transcript. Was there anything you liked about it, other than the fact it was pro vegan?
Speaker 2:I like the idea of it and I think the one doctor said that he's going apparently the his original study isn't done yet, like he's still working on it. So but he did like after, you know, people kind of wrote in or like talked him about like what they thought about it. They they agreed with what we're saying. They're like it wasn't a control, like it, it wasn't exactly the same. You can't measure. You know the variables correctly If one's doing one thing and the other one's doing something completely different.
Speaker 2:So I think what he's going to do with that is build it and then make it a study where, okay, yeah, everything is the same. So I'm really looking forward to that when that comes out. Yeah, as he agreed, he's like yeah, and it just it didn't go the way that they wanted it to go. So but I mean, I liked, let's see, I did like. I did like the things that they kind of plugged in of you know, this is what the meat industry is and stuff again. But as a vegan, like, yeah, of course I'm going to like that. I didn't like how long they did it, like they would have done like snippets of things or something, but then also something that's pro carnivore diet or something you know kind of balance it Well that, but that's the thing.
Speaker 1:Right, it wasn't a balance Right. So you know, not to mention, I mean you know they'd mentioned nothing about how the agriculture of you know, farming all the other products that aren't meat products, right, like it's not without its own cost, right, it's not like it's all good. And the meat market, you know, agriculture is all bad, like it's there. There's downsides to both, but they gave zero downside to the agriculture part of the vegan.
Speaker 2:But I did like how, at the end, I feel like the consensus was eat more plant foods. You can still have meat, you can still have your cheese, you can still have that kind of stuff, just limited, maybe, portion it a little bit less, or, you know, make sure your plate is full of veggies and fruits and things and then have like a however many ounces of meat with it or whatever. And I think everybody that was in the study kind of went for that, whether it was the vegan side or not. Like I don't even know if some of the people that went vegan or were like, yeah, I want to continue it, I don't know. But I know that overall, the theme was eat more plants, which was totally great with me and I liked that.
Speaker 1:So yes, and also with me being a meat loving, you know, a meat lover for life. So you know I always struggle because I, you know I do understand the detriment of a lot of the meat and farming industry. I get that I'm not at a, you know, I'm not at a place in my life where I'm willing to put in the effort to get enough protein from vegan foods. I'm just not right. So for me, yes, admittedly, it is just much easier for me I enjoy meat and it is easier for me to get my protein from me, and I want to talk to you about that kind of separately when we're done talking about the show. But you know the protein aspect of it, cause obviously a lot of people that listen to this are, you know, bodybuilding in it to build lean muscle mass, right? So this is a critical component to it, right? Is it possible to do it as a vegan? Absolutely. What they, what I really kind of got upset about at the end is I feel like they really glossed over the issues with muscle loss and stuff. Now, granted, again, it wasn't a controlled study, so the people weren't doing the same workouts and stuff, but there was muscle loss in several of the people so, whether their workouts just weren't as strong as the other, as the omnivore person. But they glossed over that and it was like, oh, and there was this, right. So it was like all the good stuff and none of the okay, but what about the bad stuff? So there was never a downside put to that. So I and I do think that in my opinion, that is so I am pro fill your plate with veggies. Every client I've ever worked with anybody I've ever talked to fill your plant, eat plant-based foods, right. Eat plants, eat plants, not plant-based foods, just eat the fucking plants, right? Like, eat the shit that comes out of the ground, yeah Right. So you know, eat the nuts, eat the seeds, eat the fruits, eat the vegetables like, those things are healthy. There is, there's no reason not to eat those things.
Speaker 1:When it comes to protein, that's when I get a little iffy, because if you want to build lean muscle mass, you do have to have sufficient protein, and studies do show that vegans not only need as much I'm gonna word this wrong. We all I always say to be to be, without getting really technical on it, like a pound per a pound, a gram of protein per pound of just say, let's say, body weight. We're talking about your average weighted person. If you're obese, you don't need, you know, 300 pounds, 300 grams protein. But to keep it simple, right, so I'm 120 pounds, I should get at least 120 grams protein a day.
Speaker 1:If you're vegan, just getting 120 grams of protein a day from plant sources is actually not enough because of some of the missing amino acids, right? So there, you may need more than one gram per pound of your body weight to get enough of the essential amino acids that your body can't produce on its own and you're not able to get out of lysine, in particular, because it's just not something you can get from plant foods or from most plant foods, so plant-based protein. So that comes from me. So there is. When it comes to being a vegan and getting enough protein there, it does make it a lot more complicated.
Speaker 2:It does yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think that they it's not impossible. There are certainly plenty of vegan bodies, builders out there. I am not saying it's not possible, right, Like it is possible to gain muscle and it is possible to do all the things. But understanding that it is, in my opinion, harder to do. I'm sure once you get there then it's no longer as hard, but it's harder to do. I'm not willing to do it. So instead I get my protein from animal, from animal products, but non-processed animal products, right. So I'm still very pro non-processed foods and I'll say the same.
Speaker 1:You and I have had this conversation about like the vegan foods and stuff. Like I can't with the beyond meats and stuff. I just that's not. I, yeah, I just can't. So so you know, yeah, all of that is plant material, but there are like 2000 ingredients in that thing. Like, um, right, like I'm just like eat basic food. So for me it's, yes, give me my basic plants, give me my basic meats and then really like my basic fats if it's not coming from my meats. So my biggest problem, coming at it from an athletic perspective, coming at it from a bodybuilder's perspective, the protein part, the muscle part, was really glossed over.
Speaker 2:So understanding that if somebody wants, to go vegan.
Speaker 1:Right, it is a challenge, yeah. So I am curious, you know, if you could share from your perspective how you managed to get enough. I know you're not really tracking your macros anymore, but you were right when you were competing. So if you had to give somebody advice, that was like thinking they wanted to go vegan. Like, what does it really take, you know, to get sufficient protein from vegan foods?
Speaker 2:So that was the point where I was like I want another coach because of the fact that I knew it was gonna be harder and with macros it's so you have to. It's like a wordle game, like you have to fit it Tetris, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like you have to fit the things right, to get all the numbers as close to zero, or, you know, within five grams, five to 10 grams. So me being somebody that's so type A, I was trying to hit that zero mark for like as close as I could every time. And with things like tofu and tempeh and seitan the fat content is higher. So the more I ate, the protein is actually good, like the tofu that I was getting had a lot of protein, but what came with that was a little bit extra carbs and some more fat and that always made me go over and that frustrated the hell out of me because I was like how am I going to fit the fat, the carbs and the protein without starving myself and just eating tofu? I mean, and that's honestly, towards the end of my first or my second prep, like that's what I was doing, like my lunch was literally some tofu and like I think I put kimchi on it because I needed something you know. So that was very hard, balancing all of that. The other thing is when you're cutting, it's also hard because, yeah, you have to eat less, but then you have to eat more. Like it was so hard to navigate. I mean, once I got the hang of it. It was totally fine. I was in a groove, but for somebody like just starting yeah it's, you definitely have to eat a lot Like when I was in the calorie surplus when I was in my growing season.
Speaker 2:I was eating so much food Like I was eating a lot, which was great, but sometimes I didn't want to eat and I was like I gotta eat this, whatever it was where I had to eat a little bit extra tofu with this meal, this meal and this meal, and I was so full and I was like I don't want to eat it but I have to. So there was definitely struggles there. But again, it is doable. You just have to want it and you can get through it. But yeah, definitely hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, and again, because plant proteins are not majority of them are not just complete proteins but are missing on some of the amino acids that you simply cannot get from them right, like you can only get or you're not going to get it as much. I know Lane Norton. I actually didn't actually go back and read the study, but I watched a little blip from Lane Norton he was talking about. I actually really I've known Lane for do you ever? I don't know, do you ever? Do you know who Lane Norton is? So he's a PhD. He used to be a bodybuilder. He does powerlifting now he and I competed together. I mean like we were on the competition circuit together a million years ago.
Speaker 1:He's Dr Lane Norton now. He's got a real interesting personality like he's kind of like in your face with his data. So I think he's a little off-putting to people. But honestly I really when he he just does little shorts and clips in YouTube. So you look him up. He's got some good stuff out there.
Speaker 1:But he really does give studies and it is like here's this and here's this, right, like cause, he talked about vegan. He was like I'm not bad mouthed vegan, but this is the truth of the fact you can't get all your. You know the amino acids that you need, and he's talked about nitrogen balance, which is something I hadn't like really even considered, and so we kind of got into that and I sent it to a couple of my other vegan clients and I was like this is just something for you to consider when you're looking at your the types of proteins you're putting in your diet and how. That was the first time I heard like you really need more protein as a vegan in order to get all the things that you need, Cause you cannot get it from just the same amount that a meat protein person would get, cause you're not getting all the things you need to for the muscle balance and stuff Anyway. So you might want to check that out.
Speaker 1:I don't know where I was going with that. Forget where I was going with that when I brought that whole thing up with Lane and I got went off on a tangent about Lane Shit. What was I talking about? I know we were talking about protein. This is what happens. It's the end of the day, it's four o'clock and I had clients all day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you were just saying how like you get your complete protein from the meat and something else in there, I don't know I.
Speaker 1:Oh, another thing, I lost my train of thought, but another point I wanted to bring up because I have investigated a time or two about, like you know, could I? Could I just try it, like I don't? I love protein, I love my meat, but I don't need quite as much. I'm not doing super heavy lifting and stuff Like if I can just maintain, like you know, but could I do? So? Here's some other issues that people might run into.
Speaker 1:So if you're somebody with like celiac or gluten intolerant, like you can't eat satan, right, cause that you're going to have an issue. So that's a huge protein Cause that there's so much protein in that, like that's another issue. So there are things you have to consider. I actually have a lot of issues surrounding, um, you know, I can't do a lot of high FODMAP foods, so that eliminates like legumes and it eliminates so many vegetables, right, and so so many things. So for me to be able I mean I would be so limited in a vegan diet with what didn't try to kill my, my digestive system, right? So for me, there are other limitations aside from the fact that I just I just like me.
Speaker 1:There are things in a vegan diet that I could not do without suffering, you know, some pretty severe consequences in terms of my digestion, right, yeah, um, you know probably things I could work through if I really wanted to, but again, I'm lazy and I don't really want to do that. So, um, I'm not, I'm kind of setting my ways and I don't need to Um, but yeah, so I don't know. Was there anything else? Um, I just wanted to make that point about the protein, because I do know a lot of people that listen to this are um, into bodybuilding, into gaining muscle. So it is something. Before you go, you know, leaping onto the, the vegan bandwagon, understand that it is more difficult, it can be done, but it takes a whole lot more um calculating to like fit all those things in. And and also, for the record, I, I, I helped you not be completely neurotic about it, cause I was like it's okay, erin, if you go over on some of these other things like it's totally fine.
Speaker 1:You are doing fine yeah.
Speaker 2:We've had a couple of video calls where you were literally talking me off the ledge cause I was like what?
Speaker 1:am I doing? I don't know. I was like, let it be like and and again like I. I don't have to worry about you being that meticulous because I know how clean your diet is Right, Like you're getting your calories and you're hitting your protein. So if you go a little over on your carbs, a little under on your fat or whatever, the case may be right. So that was very client dependent and that worked for you. Yeah, Um, yeah, but again, you know, because you already had yourself in such a good place, so that worked. Um, I had another point I was going to make. This is going to be a great podcast. I can't remember what?
Speaker 2:the last one, where Tina forgets everything she wants to say?
Speaker 1:I have so many more things to say, I don't know how to say the many more. Um, yeah, so my, what I want, how I want people to eat, is whatever works for them. I am not pro anything. I am pro. I am pro. Get enough protein for lean muscle building. That is important. Um, besides, lean muscle building, protein is literally, like the, the, the best macro nutrient. To me, it's the king of all macro nutrients. Right, like it, it does all the wonderful things for your body.
Speaker 1:You want to burn more calories. Eat more protein. Why? Cause the thermic effect of the. Just eating protein burns more calories, right. You want to gain muscle? More isn't necessarily better, but eat enough protein. Right, like these are like all the things that are really more satiating. Um, you know all the things that you need protein for. And make sure you build your plate with lots of fruits and vegetables, right, very important. And plant based fats are great, right, like you know avocados and oils and you know things like that. So I am pro. Eat all your vegetables. Eat like a vegan omnivore, omnivore, omnivore, omnivorous, vegan. Is that a thing? You know? What? Can I create a new? Can I just create?
Speaker 2:a new trade market like labels.
Speaker 1:Since everybody has to fucking label everything, I'm just going to. We're going to create a new diet that's called the omnivorous vegan Okay, or the vegan omnivore.
Speaker 2:I like it, we're doing it.
Speaker 1:So that's our new thing. That's how everybody should eat. Okay, yeah, that works right.
Speaker 2:I mean I guess we should have started with we're not telling you to go vegan. We're not telling you if you're vegan, you have to eat meat. No, we're just giving our own opinion about it. But I feel like both of us kind of were similar. Like I told Tina, before we started, I was like I think you and I are going to have a lot of similar like similar things that we agree with and we didn't like about it. Then we thought we would.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I would say, watch the show.
Speaker 1:Watch it and form your own opinions, but don't watch it blindly. Right, understand what it's being marketed for. The other thing I'll mention, and I don't know if you've seen this one have you seen Blue Zones? I'm, that's on my list. That's really good. Now I haven't gotten all the way, all the way to the end, so who knows? I don't think I watched the last episode, so they might surprise me at the end and I might find out. It's all a bunch of horse hooey anyway.
Speaker 1:But what Blue Zones is about. I think they even mentioned Blue Zone. They mentioned Blue Zones in this documentary because it's another one on Netflix, but they were talking about it in terms of what? Blue Zones are, not the documentary, right? So what it is is the study of these Blue Zones in the, these areas of the world where people live well into their hundreds, and it's these tiny little communities of people. They're called Blue Zones. So they went in and they kind of studied what is the culture of these people, what are what? And it's not just about what they're eating, it's about their movement, it's their whole, their lifestyle, right? So it's a whole lifestyle. So they look at the social, they look at the environmental, they look at the nutritional, they look at movement, they look at exercise, they look at spiritual.
Speaker 2:I was about to say, mind like definitely talking about that.
Speaker 1:So it's all it's very mind, body and it's very cool because not all the cult there is, like there were some cultures that were primarily vegetarian, vegan, but there were some that were not right and so, and so it to me that one felt a whole lot more balanced in that it wasn't just specifically saying, well, you have to eat all vegetables, or you have to eat keto, or you don't eat bread. Like there was one I forget what area of the world it was, but man, these people ate bread, like it was going out of sourdough bread, mind you, but it was like that was like the main part of their meal. Right, it was like bread and these people are living to. Like. But you have to look at all these other factors. Right, it comes down to lifestyle, and that's why I thought this was really cool, because they are talking about these.
Speaker 1:In every blue zone, people were active and moving, and every blue zone they were not living on social media and on their phones I mean, they didn't have it, but right so they were growing their own foods, they were out gardening until they were like 120 years old. They had a social community. Right so it was community. Some of them were religion or spirituality based, so there was one, I think it was the one that was in the United States they actually the Seventh Day.
Speaker 1:Adventist, but it's. I forget the name of the actual town in California because they did mention this one in the UR, which they mentioned that blue zone, because it's literally on one side of the highway. You have this group of people and on this side of the highway it's like everybody's dying in their fifties, right? So it's like you're talking about people that live 20, 30 miles from each other and this group of people is living 10 times longer than this group of people. So I think that those are the kinds of things that are so much more important than only eating vegan or only eating omnivore, or because it is about, in all of the communities, regardless of what they were eating, it was whole foods, right. So whether it was vegetables or meats or bread or whatever they're making the room bread, it was whole foods. We're not eating all this process junk, regardless of what it is sleep, stress management, movement, community spirituality that's what was helping these people live to 120 years old. Yeah, that's a cool one All right, that's.
Speaker 2:That's my list. I didn't even think about watching that before. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, it was something that just kind of caught my eye and I was, you know, because I was really the older I get, the more I get into like longevity, like, really, what is the secret to longevity, like you know, do I really want to live on this planet another 50 years or not? And if I do, like what's that going to look like? But yeah, so I think those are the kinds of things and to me, that's those are the important factors, right, you don't. I don't like boxes and I don't like labels. I don't like labels on boxes, right, I don't.
Speaker 1:You want to eat keto and call yourself a keto. You want to eat vegan, call yourself a vegan. You want to eat. You want to call yourself. You want to say you're never drinking again. You're going to say you're eating only meat, paleo, whatever you know. Like the labels, right, I'm a cross fitter, I'm a runner, I'm a. This, I'm a that.
Speaker 1:It comes down to balancing your life with what, with with healthy things. Right, it's, and it's all those things. It is eating nutritious foods, whole, unprocessed foods, as much as you can eat the fucking pizza Sometimes, if you want to, nobody cares. Right, like so again, when you don't slap labels on yourself about what you are and who you are. You have the freedom to do what you want, and then there's no guilt or shame with doing those things, right. And then, because those are the things that get us in trouble, right, it's the guilt and the shame. And when you put labels on, then suddenly you're boxed in with these rules, and rules are what cause those problems. Yeah, yeah. So if we're just eating like we love ourselves, if we're just eating in a way that you know will help us live longer lives and healthier lives and be healthier people, that's what you do and it's there. Whether you're vegan or otherwise, it's all the same. Get whole foods, unprocessed foods, right. Eat enough protein. Don't eat too many calories. Move your ass, get enough sleep.
Speaker 1:Drink your fucking water meditate go hang out with your friends, meditate, you know, and just don't suck, don't be a shitty human. It's easy. Yeah, you heard it here first people Don't suck. And you too will live a nice long life, and I am available to coach you on how not to be a shitty human if you would like.
Speaker 1:But that's why our slogan at the end is like don't get wet use your head and it'll all be okay, because really, it's just like can we stop making everything so fucking complicated? Yes, I have had this conversation with several women lately because I feel like we fall women fall prey to this again the fitness industry and all this bullshit that we talked about before. Listen, we are born knowing exactly how to eat and sleep and poop. We cry when we're hungry. Babies, right, like this is innate. Right, like we know what to do. Right, we cry when we're hungry. We cry when we're uncomfortable. We stop eating when we're full. From the minute we're born, all of that is learned out of us. We are trained otherwise, right, so we're getting back to this place.
Speaker 1:When I'm trying to help the women I work with do bodybuilding aside, right, the lifestyle people that I work with, and even the bodybuilders is we got to get back to a place that we knew how to fucking do the minute we came out of the womb, right, and we have the society, culture, our parents, our lifestyles. Whatever we're exposed to throughout our lives is what's fucked us up, and now we got to all and fuck it all, but it's there, right, like to stop eating when you're not hungry. Eat when you're hungry, don't eat when you're not hungry. Babies drink breast milk or formula right, Like they're not. We're not giving them all this crap, like we know, right? So we sleep over tired, we cry when we're sick right, it's just like, and it's just like we have to get back to that place, but also remembering so, with these documentaries and with everything else that's out there, there is a bazillion dollar industry that goes broke the minute. Every woman in this country feels good about themselves.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, oh my God, yes.
Speaker 1:Period. Keep that in mind. Right it is. Everything is directed at making sure we never feel like we're enough. So, vegan, not enough, I gotta do something else right. Paleo nope, not enough, gotta do something else right. It's just like, whatever it is, it's never enough. So but keep in mind that that is, keep your eyes wide open and understand that that's. It's all stacked against us on purpose for people to make money yeah that's all it is.
Speaker 2:Is the money making?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you have to figure out what works for you, exactly right when it comes down to it. And don't suck that's my new motto. Just don't suck, it's easy. Did you have anything else you wanted to add about the documentary, or about being vegan or protein or anything else that you think is really important? No, I just like I said earlier.
Speaker 2:just, I feel like the whole theme of us two talking and the documentary and everything I think is just eat more whole foods and plant-based foods. You can have your meat, you can have your fish, you can have all the things too, but make sure that you get enough of the vegetables and fruits in your diet, and that's gonna be so much better than packing your plate full of junk food and processed foods. Like we all can agree that processed foods are not healthy.
Speaker 1:Yes, so, and they're okay in moderation, right, yeah, eat that stuff in moderation. But really the majority of your life should be spent treating your body like you give a shit right so that you can. There is no study that says that's not the healthy way to eat. Exactly, it doesn't matter what label you want to slap on it, that's what you need, yeah, right. So with that, since I don't think we have anything else to say and I think I've completely lost any ability to speak on any topics further, we're going to say don't get weird, use your head, it will all be okay, and don't suck. And don't suck. Bye, bye.